Thanks for the write up! Agreed on the Sochan point about it not being as cut and dried as people are making it out to be.
I think part of what’s frustrating is people frame the situation like putting Tre in the starting lineup is a magic wand to solve all of that group’s issues on offense. And while I love Tre, I don’t think that’s the case.
Also, there’s so many factors that influence +- that people gloss over. Ie, starters shooting poorly even when open ESP Collins being uncharacteristically bad from 3, Tre playing against the other team’s bench vs Sochan playing against starters, Tre closing games over Sochan when Wemby is at his best in the 4th, etc.
All that to say, +- doesn’t tell us what’s driving outcomes, especially with as small a sample size as this season thus far. During the last 2 preseason games with the regular season rotations the tall ball lineup dominated (including against the Warriors!) and Tre had negative +-. Those data points aren’t any more definitive than these first 4 games.
I love both Jeremy and Tre, and would just like folks to be patient for a bit while Pop experiments with these lineups. The early obsession on Tre vs Sochan starting is exhausting😓 And misses much of what’s happening with the rest of the team I think.
Disagree wth the Sochan grade..he was knocking down shots early in the game when Devin and Wemby was not. Sochan assist numbers would be higher if the Spurs open players would have made the shot.
Agreed! The numbers will eventually get there. But he’s still playing a bit hesitantly, which is understandable. The beauty of these grades is it’s all up for debate. I’m just like y’all in that I do this stuff fresh off the game without going back and rewatching. It’s all feel. So this is very subjective and in the moment. Everyone feel free to comment and post their own grades, I’m all for it! Would make things fun!
Thanks for the write up! Agreed on the Sochan point about it not being as cut and dried as people are making it out to be.
I think part of what’s frustrating is people frame the situation like putting Tre in the starting lineup is a magic wand to solve all of that group’s issues on offense. And while I love Tre, I don’t think that’s the case.
Also, there’s so many factors that influence +- that people gloss over. Ie, starters shooting poorly even when open ESP Collins being uncharacteristically bad from 3, Tre playing against the other team’s bench vs Sochan playing against starters, Tre closing games over Sochan when Wemby is at his best in the 4th, etc.
All that to say, +- doesn’t tell us what’s driving outcomes, especially with as small a sample size as this season thus far. During the last 2 preseason games with the regular season rotations the tall ball lineup dominated (including against the Warriors!) and Tre had negative +-. Those data points aren’t any more definitive than these first 4 games.
I love both Jeremy and Tre, and would just like folks to be patient for a bit while Pop experiments with these lineups. The early obsession on Tre vs Sochan starting is exhausting😓 And misses much of what’s happening with the rest of the team I think.
Could not agree more with everything you’ve said lol
Disagree wth the Sochan grade..he was knocking down shots early in the game when Devin and Wemby was not. Sochan assist numbers would be higher if the Spurs open players would have made the shot.
Agreed! The numbers will eventually get there. But he’s still playing a bit hesitantly, which is understandable. The beauty of these grades is it’s all up for debate. I’m just like y’all in that I do this stuff fresh off the game without going back and rewatching. It’s all feel. So this is very subjective and in the moment. Everyone feel free to comment and post their own grades, I’m all for it! Would make things fun!
Thanks for a great early morning update to enjoy with coffee!